In chapter 3 of Consciousness Revisited, Michael Tye argues that

·      There are no special phenomenal concepts of the sort required by the phenomenal concept strategy for defending physicalism

·      Accounts of phenomenal concepts developed by Block, Papineau, Balog, Loar, Perry, and Tye all have serious problems

·      Although there are concepts of consciousness that are not a priori reducible to physical concepts, this is also true of many nonphenomenal concepts, including the concept water—despite claims to the contrary by Frank Jackson, David Chalmers, and other proponents of “the Canberra program”

I will discuss only the first claim, regarding the nonexistence of special phenomenal concepts. Tye does not deny that there could be such concepts. Instead, he argues that our phenomenal concepts—the ones we actually have—do not work in the way that the phenomenal concept strategy requires. He concludes that the strategy is misguided.

I will raise some questions about Tye’s argument. I will not challenge his claims about how Burgean intuitions apply to phenomenal concepts. Nor will I deny that those claims create problems for the phenomenal concept strategy, as it is usually formulated. Instead, I will suggest that there is a viable fallback position available to the phenomenal concept strategist: a revised strategy. The difference is that, while the original strategy emphasizes distinctive conditions for possessing phenomenal concepts, the revised strategy emphasizes distinctive conditions for understanding those concepts—or rather, conditions for understanding them sufficiently well for phenomenal knowledge (knowledge of what it’s like). The Burgean intuitions do not create problems for the revised strategy. But in other respects the two versions are dialectically on a par.

(Let me note three things before beginning. First, Tye’s argument is similar to that of Derek’s Ball’s, “There are no phenomenal concepts,” which has not yet been published, as far as I know. Tye acknowledges Ball’s influence. Second, Daniel Stoljar introduced the term “the phenomenal concept strategy” for a way of defending a posteriori physicalism specifically. Tye uses the term more broadly, for any attempt to defend physicalism by appealing to distinctive features of phenomenal concepts. And his argument applies yet more broadly, to any view (physicalist or not) on which Mary acquires phenomenal color concepts only after leaving the room. Third, I will follow Tye in focusing on the application of the strategy to the knowledge argument, with which I will assume familiarity.)

The phenomenal concept strategy

Tye describes phenomenal concepts as those we deploy in introspecting phenomenal character. They are associated with phenomenal knowledge. Consider the phenomenal knowledge that, according to some, Jackson’s Mary acquires when she leaves the room and sees her first red rose. She learns that seeing red has such-and-such phenomenal quality. Her such-and-such concept is a phenomenal concept.

The phenomenal concepts strategy explains Mary’s epistemic progress (= what her learning what it’s like to see in color consist in) in terms of her acquisition of phenomenal concepts. The explanation runs roughly as follows. Knowing what it’s like to see in color consists at least partly in knowing propositions that contain phenomenal color concepts. Mary does not acquire any such concepts until she leaves the room and sees colors for herself. Before then, she cannot even apprehend the relevant propositions. Seeing colors enables her to possess the requisite concepts and thereby to apprehend those propositions. However, those concepts pick out physical properties, which she already knew about under different concepts.

That is just a rough, schematic description of the strategy. Details vary considerably from version to version, depending partly on how phenomenal concepts are thought to work. But such differences are unimportant for the purposes of Tye’s argument. On any version, the reason Mary learns what it’s like to see in color when she leaves the room is that, upon seeing colors, she acquires phenomenal color concepts—concepts she did not previously possess. Tye rejects that claim. On his view, Burgean intuitions show that phenomenal concepts work much like concepts such as elm and arthritis. And he takes this to imply that Mary possesses phenomenal color concepts before leaving the room.

Consider the idea, emphasized by Putnam and Burge, that one can possess the elm concept without knowing much about elms. Those who possess this concept are typically willing to accept correction from others about its extension. As Tye puts it, the concept is deferential. He claims that the same is true for our phenomenal concepts. Recall Burge’s well-known case of the patient who believes he has developed arthritis in his thigh. When his doctor explains that arthritis, being a disease of the joints, cannot occur in the thigh, the patient will presumably accept that his earlier belief was false. And even before the doctor enlightens the patient about the nature of arthritis, the two can agree that the patient has arthritis in his ankles. As Tye emphasizes, the possibility of such agreement seems to require that they share a single concept.

Tye argues that similar reasoning applies to phenomenal concepts. These concepts are deferential too, on his view. For example, he explains, someone undergoing dental work might at first classify her experience as pain but later accept correction from an expert who says the experience was actually a borderline case of pain and pressure. Further, pre-release Mary might share various beliefs about the phenomenal character of color experiences with colorsighted people outside the room. For example, she might agree that seeing red is phenomenally more similar to seeing black than to hearing a trumpet play middle C. According to Tye, the possibility of such agreement demands that she have the same phenomenal concepts as those outside the room have. He infers that our phenomenal concepts are not experientially perspectival: possessing them does not require undergoing relevant experiences. And he takes that result to undermine the phenomenal concept strategy.

The revised strategy

If Tye’s argument is sound, then the phenomenal concept strategy is mistaken in claiming that Mary acquires phenomenal color concepts only after leaving the room. But how central is that claim to the strategy? Does his argument, if sound, show that the strategy is fundamentally misguided?

Here is a rough description of what I take to be the strategy’s core idea:

When Mary leaves the room and sees in color for the first time, she acquires a new way of thinking about color experiences—a new perspective on them. If physicalism is true, then her new perspective does not correspond to any nonphysical properties, distinct from those she learned about through her science lectures. Even so, her post-release perspective differs substantially from her pre-release perspective. That is why she gains knowledge when she leaves the room.

That core idea is usually explicated partly by describing Mary as acquiring phenomenal color concepts only when she leaves the room. This explication has advantages. In particular, it facilitates attempts to relate the core idea to relevant epistemic issues. But the explication has costs too, and Tye’s argument could be seen as an attempt to demonstrate that the costs are too high.

There is another way to explicate the core idea, which does not seem to run afoul of Burgean intuitions. The explication depends on three general epistemic assumptions, all of which seem plausible to me. First, apprehending a proposition is not an all-or-nothing matter. S can apprehend P well or poorly, to varying degrees. Second, how well one apprehends a proposition depends partly on how well one understands the concepts it contains. It might be that S’s apprehension of P is poor because of her poor understanding of a concept C that P contains. (Her poor apprehension of P might have other sources as well: she might lack C altogether; or she might be unable combine the C appropriately with other relevant concepts.) Third, in some cases, knowledge requires that the relevant proposition be apprehended well. S might not know P because, although she apprehends P, she does not apprehend P sufficiently well.

Given those assumptions, the phenomenal concept strategist could begin to explicate her core idea roughly as follows. Knowing what it’s like to see in color involves apprehending certain propositions relatively well. Those propositions contain phenomenal color concepts. Although Mary has those concepts before leaving the room, her understanding of them is poor. For that reason, she does not apprehend the relevant propositions well enough to know what it’s like to see in color. All this changes when she leaves the room and sees colors. When this happens, her understanding of phenomenal color concepts improves dramatically. That enables her to apprehend the relevant propositions well enough to know what it’s like to see in color. Call this the revised strategy.

The revised strategy appears to be consistent with Tye’s argument. In particular, on the revised strategy, phenomenal concepts are not experientially perspectival, just as he argues. But is the revised strategy really so different from the original version? On the revised strategy, although phenomenal concepts are not experientially perspectival, phenomenal knowledge is (or rather, on the revised strategy phenomenal knowledge cannot be arrived at by a priori reflection on the sort of information conveyed to Mary pre-release). Seeing colors when she leaves the room provides her with a better understanding of concepts she already possesses rather than with new concepts. But this difference seems largely terminological.

To appreciate why, let’s consider how the phenomenal concept strategy is applied. One application concerns a priori physicalism, according to which (roughly put) any phenomenal information there is could in principle be a priori deduced from physical information.  Some a priori physicalists appeal to phenomenal concepts to reconcile their view with the claim that there is information about color experiences that Mary cannot deduce while still in the room. On their view, although the deduction can be done, actually doing it requires possessing phenomenal color concepts—concepts that Mary does not acquire until she leaves the room. If Tye is right, then that last claim is false.

But that problem can be easily fixed, in accordance with the revised strategy. A priori physicalists can still maintain that Mary’s inability to do the deduction fails to show that the deduction cannot be done. They need simply attribute her inability to an inadequate understanding of concepts she possesses, rather than a failure to possess those concepts. This revised defense of a priori physicalism seems dialectically equivalent to the original version. The application of the phenomenal concept strategy to a posteriori physicalism can be modified similarly, mutatis mutandis, also without substantial loss, as far as I can tell.

The revised strategy elaborated

If all of that is right, then Tye’s opponents have a fallback position that is no weaker than the original phenomenal concept strategy. Let me now address two pressing questions about the revised strategy. First, what exactly are the propositions that one must well apprehend in order to know what it’s like to see in color? Second, in what way does Mary’s pre-release apprehension of them fall short?

Regarding the first question, there are various propositions that might figure into knowing what it’s like to see in color, including certain identity claims. Consider what Chalmers calls “the community relational concept, or redC,” which he glosses as “the phenomenal quality typically caused in normal subjects within my community by paradigmatic red things” (in his paper on the epistemology of phenomenal belief). One of the propositions in question might be the identity claim

(1) redC = phenomenal redness

This brings us to our second question: in what way does Mary’s pre-release apprehension of  propositions such as (1) fall short? (1) is plainly informative, and there is an important sense in which Mary learns it only after leaving the room. But what is that sense? We cannot explain it by saying that only after leaving does she acquire the phenomenal redness concept, if Tye’s argument is sound. Also, there is arguably another sense in which she knows (1) before leaving the room—at least, she then knows that (1) is true, if not the truth it expresses. So, in what does her pre-release ignorance of (1) consist?

It consists partly in the fact that there are many epistemic possibilities that she cannot eliminate until she leaves the room—possibilities for what phenomenal redness picks out. However, it is not as though she well understands those possibilities and merely lacks sufficient grounds for zeroing in on one of them. She does not well understand the possibilities. And she has no understanding of the phenomenal differences between them. Only when she leaves the room and sees colors does she understand the possibilities well enough to eliminate those that are incorrect. Only then does she apprehend (1) well enough to be properly described as knowing what it’s like to see red.

Here a third question arises. Recall a claim mentioned earlier:

(2) Seeing red is phenomenally more similar to seeing black than to hearing a trumpet play middle C.

Assuming Tye is right, Mary knows (2) before leaving the room. How can this be, if what I said about (1) is correct? (2) contains the phenomenal redness concept no less than (1) does. If her poor understanding of that concept prevents her from knowing (1), why isn’t the same true of (2)?

The answer is that not all knowledge involving phenomenal concepts is equally demanding. Knowing (1) (in the sense relevant to knowing what it’s like to see in color) requires a much better understanding of phenomenal redness than knowing (2) requires. Unlike knowing (1), knowing (2) requires little more than a minimal understanding of the phenomenal concepts it contains.

To see this, consider another thought experiment. Suppose Martians have experiences of types X, Y, and Z that are phenomenally alien to us. A Martian you know to be entirely trustworthy assures you that

(3) X is phenomenally more similar to Y than to Z.

Do you know (3)? Your understanding of the phenomenal concepts (3) contains is almost nonexistent. For you, there are countless open epistemic possibilities for the phenomenal qualities expressed by X, Y, and Z.  However, (3) concerns only phenomenal similarity relations among X, Y, and Z. Knowing that those relations obtain does not seem to require understanding or narrowing down the countless relevant open possibilities—at least not in the way that typical Martians would be able to. So, arguably, you do know (3) despite your impoverished understanding of the relevant phenomenal concepts.

If that is right, then it is no mystery why pre-release Mary can know (2) despite her tenuous grip on one of the phenomenal concepts (2) contains. To know (2) requires only that one know that the relevant phenomenal similarity relations obtain, and pre-release Mary satisfies that condition. Her room lacks colors but not sounds. It might as well contain a recording of a trumpet playing scales. She has had more than enough visual and auditory experiences to appreciate the great phenomenological difference between the two, and thus to infer (2) with justified confidence. Thus, knowing (2) does not require understanding phenomenal redness in the way that knowing (1) does—or rather, in the way Mary knows (1) only after leaving the room (I will explain the need for this qualification below).

Similar considerations apply to other arguments Tye adduces against the phenomenal concept strategy. For example, on one response he considers to his shared-belief argument, pre-release Mary has a nonphenomenal concept of experiencing red, which explains how she can share beliefs about that experience with her interlocutors, and post-release Mary has an additional phenomenal concept, which explains her epistemic growth upon leaving the room. Tye argues that this double-concept line cannot account for cases such as the following. Mary is in a pessimistic mood and thinks to herself while in the room,

(4) I will never know what it’s like to experience red.

After leaving the room, while staring at a ripe tomato, she thinks to herself

(5) I now know what it’s like to experience red.

Tye writes (on page 67),

Prima facie, these thoughts have contradictory contents. But if the latter exercises a phenomenal concept for what it is like to experience red and the former exercises a non-phenomenal concept for the same, then they are not contradictory, any more than are thoughts with the following contents: I know that Cicero was and orator; I do not know that Tully was an orator.

This case presents no problem for the revised strategy. On the revised strategy, Mary exercises one and the same phenomenal concept in thinking (4) and (5), and so their contents are contradictory.

However, the case does illustrate how second-order knowledge can vary in its demands regarding how well one must understand the relevant concepts, just as first-order knowledge can. Knowing (5) requires a richer understanding of the phenomenal redness concept than knowing (4) requires.

Mary, Blind Mary, and Zombie Mary

I have several times qualified phenomenal knowledge attributions with qualifications such as “in the way post-release Mary does.” The reason this is necessary is connected to a point not much noted in discussions of the Mary case: even before leaving the room, she knows what it’s like to see in color to some extent, simply because she knows what it’s like to see (more precisely, she knows what it’s like to have visual experiences). To appreciate this, compare her pre-release phenomenal knowledge to that of Blind Mary, who learns the complete physical truth from audio lectures and books written in Braille. Indeed, even Blind Mary is not, so to speak, completely in the dark on the matter of what seeing colors is like: she knows what it’s like to have conscious experiences. That is more phenomenal knowledge than Zombie Mary ever has, even after Zombie Mary leaves the room. As compared to that of Blind Mary or Zombie Mary, Mary’s pre-release knowledge of what it’s like to see in color is substantial. But as compared to that of her colorsighted interlocutors outside the room, her phenomenal knowledge is impoverished, as the dramatic epistemic progress she makes when she leaves indicates. Something along these lines is all that could reasonably be meant by saying that, before leaving the room, she does not know what it’s like to see in color.

In any event, if what I have argued is correct, then the implications of Tye’s argument for the phenomenal concept strategy are less dire than one might have thought.

 

4 Responses to “Tye on Phenomenal Concepts”

Hi Torin,

I appreciate seeing the details of this sort of strategy worked out - thanks. Since I hold a similar view to Tye’s, let me try to respond.

I’m skeptical of this sort of move for two reasons. First, I take it that if Mary can apprehend (1), then she can bear various propositional attitudes towards it (even if she can’t know it) ; for example, she could wonder whether it is true, or believe it to be true. But then there should be variatons of the Mary case where she leaves her room and thinks: “aha, no surprises here: red_c = phenomenal redness, just as I believed all along.” This seems very strange; surely it is much more natural to think that the proposition that she learns is something that she couldn’t believe or wonder about, something that she couldn’t even entertain. The epistemic difference between Mary inside and outside of her room can’t just be the difference between mere belief and knowledge.

My second reason for skepticism is that the sort of lack of understanding that you are postulating doesn’t seem to prevent knowledge in other cases. For example, Burge’s arthritis character can learn all sorts of things about arthritis via testimony. In particular, if her doctor tells her that arthritis is a disease of the joints (under suitable conditions) she will come to know this. So now suppose I know that red_C = phenomenal redness, and I tell this to Mary. I am reliable, and Mary knows this; we are generally in ideal conditions for the transmission of knowledge by testimony. Mary grasps the proposition that I am expressing and comes to believe it. It strikes me as ad hoc to deny that she can gain knowledge on this basis.

There is one further (related) aspect of your position that I’m not sure I understand. You suggest that Mary’s lack of understanding is manifested in her inability to understand and eliminate ‘epistemic possibilities’. But I don’t understand the sense in which this is true. Are the possibilities she can’t rule out things like: that red_C = phenomenal blueness? If so, it seems to me that she would be in a position to rule these out: after all, she might grasp the proposition that red_C = phenomenal blueness and reject it on excellent testimonial grounds.

Hi Derek,

Thanks very much for the thoughts. Before replying, I should perhaps mention again that not only does Derek “hold a similar view to Tye’s”: he has an excellent article on the topic called “There are no phenomenal concepts.” (Btw, it appears that some formatting is lost in comments, so I’ll use * for italics.)

Regarding your first reason for skepticism, I have a few responses.

You write, “But then there should be variations of the Mary case where she leaves her room and thinks: “aha, no surprises here: redC = phenomenal redness, just as I believed all along.” This seems very strange…” Okay, first a nitpick. I think talk of Mary’s being surprised is, though common, potentially misleading. Mary will learn something and will be justified in saying “Aha!” She might be surprised if she had expectations about what it’s like to see red that she discovers are wrong, but I see no reason why she would have any such expectations. Again, that’s just a nitpick, but seems a point worth mentioning.

Anyway, your point, I take is, is that my view doesn’t account for the fact that when Mary sees the rose she will have an epiphany; my view has the “Ho hum, no surprises here” problem, so to speak. In response, I deny this. Granted, on my view her epiphany does not involve her apprehending entirely new propositions. Instead, her epiphany involves apprehending those propositions in a new way, with a dramatic increase in understanding. I don’t see why that implies any ho-hum problem. I don’t see why describing her epiphany in terms of acquiring much better understanding of propositions she already apprehends shouldn’t count as an epiphany. The objection seems to forget the idea that propositions can be understood well or less well—that understanding isn’t an all-or-nothing matter, which is a point I emphasized.

You write, “surely it is much more natural to think that the proposition that she learns is something that she couldn’t believe or wonder about, something that she couldn’t even entertain.” That seems right at first, and I (and others) am in print saying just that (“A limited defense of the knowledge argument,” Philosophical Studies 1998). But when I wrote that paper, I didn’t consider your and Tye’s Burgean arguments about phenomenal concepts. Given those arguments (the soundness of which I have granted for the sake of argument), it no longer seems so natural to think that the relevant propositions (the ones she learns once she leaves the room) are ones she cannot even consider before leaving the room. The ability to apprehend a proposition can seem rather demanding until we recognize that, roughly put, one can acquire a concept by acquiring an expression for that concept from an interlocutor. But after we recognize this, then it no longer seems so hard for Mary to apprehend relevant propositions. What remains hard, however, is to well understand the content of those propositions.

You write, “The epistemic difference between Mary inside and outside of her room can’t just be the difference between mere belief and knowledge” There’s something right about that: to suggest that her epistemic progress consists in the difference between mere belief and knowledge is misleading. Here’s why. The belief, truth, and Gettier conditions are met, and so the suggestion might seem to imply that what Mary is missing pre-release is entirely a matter of justification—that she simply lacks sufficient evidence for redC’s being phenomenal redness and not something else, such as phenomenal greenness. That’s implausible, but it’s not my view. I do think a lack justification plays a role, since her ignorance consists partly in her inability to rule out certain epistemic possibilities. But again, it’s not as though she well understands those possibilities and merely lacks sufficient grounds for narrowing them down. She does not understand the possibilities very well, and she has zero understanding of the phenomenal differences between them. Only when she leaves the room and sees colors does she understand the possibilities well enough to eliminate those that are incorrect (though see my reply to your third point for a qualification). So, the more basic source of her ignorance is inadequate understanding of the relevant concepts/properties/propositions. So, it’s misleading to say that, on my view, Mary’s epistemic progress consists in to her passing from belief to knowledge. Rather, it consists in an increase in understanding. (And of course, all this assumes your and Tye’s Burgean arguments are correct.)

Regarding your second reason for skepticism, about testimony, the short answer is that it’s not ad hoc to deny that phenomenal knowledge cannot be gained through testimony alone in the way that nonphenomenal knowledge such as knowledge about arthritis can. The Mary case and similar examples show that phenomenal knowledge is distinctive in just this way. I’ll elaborate a bit, but as I’ll explain the issue is complex.

Mary has no cognitive limitations, and yet it seems doubtful that testimony alone could fill in the gaps in her pre-release understanding of phenomenal color concepts (unless, for example, the testimony somehow causes her to visualize red—a possibility no more relevant to the philosophical issues than the possibility of her somehow acquiring the ability to see through the walls of her room to the colors on the outside). How should this contrast be explained? Why can testimony help the patient understand *arthritis* in a way that testimony cannot help Mary master *phenomenal redness*? That’s how I’d put your question.

The answer depends on how Mary’s pre-release ignorance is explained. There is no consensus about this, but here is one familiar proposal. What the arthritis patient fails to know is information solely about structure and dynamics—or at least information that can be deduced from structural/dynamic information. Such information can be accurately and fully described in objective, third-person language, which can in principle be accurately and fully understood by anyone with a sufficiently powerful reasoning ability. That is why testimony can fill gaps and correct misconceptions in the *elm* and *arthritis* cases. By contrast, what Mary fails to know about color vision and phenomenal color concepts is not structural/dynamic information. Yet structural/dynamic information is the only sort of information testimony can provide.

Mary’s interlocutors might use first-person reports of a sort that is unlikely to occur in her science lectures. For example, they might say, “Seeing red feels like *this*.” That sentence might express exactly the sort of phenomenal knowledge Mary lacks. Even so, she will not understand the nonstructural content of such a sentence. Or rather, she will not understand it well enough to fill in the gaps in her understanding of *phenomenal redness*. This, then, is why testimony is epistemically useful to the arthritis patient in a way that it is not epistemically useful to Mary: he lacks structural/dynamic information, which testimony can provide; whereas she lacks a different sort of information, which testimony cannot provide.

Of course, that proposal raises a host of issues about the nature of structure and dynamics, their connection to testimony, and other matters. And as I said, this is only one proposal for explaining Mary’s pre-release ignorance. My point, though, is that the correct explanation of that ignorance, whatever it is, should also deliver an answer to the question of why testimony cannot fill in the gaps in pre-release Mary’s understanding of phenomenal color concepts even though testimony can fill in the corresponding gaps in Putnam’s mastery of *elm* and the patient’s mastery of *arthritis*.

Regarding your third point, about epistemic possibilities, my answer here will piggyback on my answer to your second question, about testimony. The epistemic possibilities are indeed the ones you mention. She can’t eliminate the possibility that redC = phenomenal blueness. Of course, as you say, in a sense she can: she knows, in a sense, that redC = phenomenal redness, not phenomenal blueness. At least, she knows that those propositions are true, and perhaps in a thin sense she knows the truths they express. But her understanding of them is poor. In particular, she has no understanding of the phenomenal differences between them. That’s not to deny that she knows that there are such differences, and that the one called “phenomenal redness” is the right answer to “What is redC?” Nor, again, is it to deny that, in a sense, she knows which one is right. The point is that, in another sense, she does not know the answer: she does not know it in that she does not understand it very well, until she leaves the room. That’s the relevant sense in which can’t eliminate epistemic possibilities.

Thanks, Torin - I think I understand your view a bit better now. Let me try to press a bit further.

In the ‘arthritis’ case and similar cases, a subject fails to understand a concept well because she fails to have certain key beliefs involving that concept (i.e., the belief that arthritis is a disease of the joints). This can’t be the sort of understanding Mary lacks in her room: you are granting that she could believe all relevant truths involving the concept redC. But then I really don’t know what understanding a concept amounts to.

I take it that your suggestion is that Mary in her room partially understands the relevant concept because there are possibilities expressable by the use of that concept that she can’t eliminate. Maybe you could say a bit more about what would count as eliminating a possibility - I don’t know what it is that you want her to be able to do. She grasps a proposition that expresses the possibility, and she believes it to be false. Moreover, she is in some sense justified and rational in so doing. What could eliminating possibilites be if not this?

Moreover, I’m not sure that I understand the sense in which she doesn’t understand the phenomenal differences between the various possibilities. She knows a lot about the similarities and differences between the various phenomenal states: she knows that phenomenal redness is similar to phenomenal orangeness, and less similar to phenomenal blueness, and so forth. It seems to me that she could know (or, given your original point, at least truly believe) any fact there is to know about the similarities and differences. It’s true that she doesn’t know what it is like to experience these various states; but that is what we are trying to explain.

One final point. You write that testimony can only provide structural/dynamic information. I don’t see why we should accept this. After all, Mary can learn that redC = phenomenal redness via testimony, and I take it that on your view this is not a piece of structural/dynamic information. (Maybe the idea is that testimony can transmit *beliefs* about non-structural information, but can transmit *knowledge* only about structrual information? I’m not sure how this could be motivated.)

Hi Derek,

Thank for the excellent reply. I apologize for my delayed reply to your reply.

Understanding a phenomenal concept in the sense I mean comes down to understanding the nature of the phenomenal property the concept picks out. To the people outside the room, the phenomenal difference between phenomenal redness and phenomenal blueness is manifest. That is not true of Mary, before she leaves the room. To her, “phenomenal redness” and “phenomenal blueness” are little more than labels for some or other phenomenal properties associated with vision. Granted, she knows (on the basis of testimony) that the properties differ from each other phenomenally. But she does not understand what that phenomenal difference consists in. From her perspective, it is as though the properties each have a blank space. The properties seem intrinsically identical to her, except that she knows that the blank spaces are filled in differently.

True, she also knows that the properties relate differently to other properties. For example, she knows that phenomenal orangeness is phenomenally more similar to phenomenal redness than to phenomenal blueness, that phenomenal redness is associated with experiences of seeing ripe tomatoes and that phenomenal blueness is not so associated, etc. Even so, her understanding of the phenomenal difference between phenomenal redness and phenomenal blueness is lacking, as compared to that of colorsighted people outside the room.

To see this, note that her understanding is language dependent in a way that theirs is not. If she forgets the relevant terms, then she presumably loses her knowledge of even such truths as the ones about how the properties relate to phenomenal orangeness, to seeing tomatoes, etc. By contrast, if those outside the room forget the relevant terms, they would still understand the phenomenal difference between phenomenal redness and phenomenal blueness about as well as they ever did, even though they wouldn’t be able to communicate this knowledge as readily (because they would have to introduce or reintroduce terms for the various properties).

Also, note that Mary lacks certain recognitional abilities that those outside the room have. For example, suppose she is shown a piece of red paper and a piece of blue paper, both unlabeled. Suppose also that she is (for some reason) unable to apply any scientific instruments to determine what colors she is seeing. For her, each of her two new color experiences has equal claim to being an experience of seeing red. It’s in that sense that she can’t eliminate various possibilities for what phenomenal redness is. Were she to see blue paper, and neither told the name of the color nor given the means to figure that out by examining the surface texture of the paper and correlating that information with other information she knows, etc., she would not be able to conclude that the phenomenal quality of her new experience (namely, phenomenal blueness) is not the quality that redC picks out. Likewise for orange paper, pink paper, etc.

Let me go back to the point about language. Consider an example from Tony Brueckner. I don’t know too much about set theory. A set theorist I know to be reliable assures me that omega is a not regular cardinal. Do I know that omega is not a regular cardinal? Brueckner says no, because I don’t understand the technical terminology. On his view, I have only metalinguistic knowledge—knowledge that the sentence “Omega is not a regular cardinal” is true.

If the Burgean arguments apply to mathematical concepts, then it’s hard to see how Brueckner could be right. Even so, something in the vicinity of Brueckner’s view seems plausible, even given the Burgean view. Maybe strictly speaking I know that omega is not a regular cardinal. After all, I can disagree with someone else who insists that omega is a regular cardinal. Even so, my understanding of the proposition that omega is not a regular cardinal is relatively poor. And that fact does not seem to consist simply in my not having certain key beliefs. After all, the reliable mathematician I know could clearly express those beliefs to me and I might thereby come to share those beliefs, and know the relevant facts, too. Even so, my understanding would probably be quite poor—as my inability to apply my knowledge to new cases, etc., would indicate.

On my view, parallel points apply to Mary’s knowledge of phenomenal truths such as the truth that redC = phenomenal redness. If the Burgean arguments apply to phenomenal concepts (as I’m assuming), then probably we should say that her knowledge is not merely metalinguistic; maybe, strictly speaking, she knows the truth that redC = phenomenal redness, and not merely that a sentence that expresses that information is true. But her understanding of the expressed truth is poor. And that fact does not seem to consist simply in her not having certain key beliefs, for reasons parallel to the mathematics case. Rather, it consists in her poor understanding of the relevant phenomenal properties. The latter is indicated by her not having certain abilities, such as the recognitional abilities I mentioned earlier (the case of the blue paper and red paper)—and by the fact that her knowledge appears to be language dependent in the ways I described.

There are important differences between the mathematical case and the Mary case. In particular, there are things about set theory that I can’t learn through testimony simply because I have a limited reasoning ability. By contrast, there are no such limits on Mary’s reasoning ability. Yet testimony does not fill in the gaps in her phenomenal knowledge. But in other relevant respects, the cases seem parallel.

Regarding my claim that testimony only provides structural/dynamic information, you write, “Mary can learn that redC = phenomenal redness via testimony, and I take it that on your view this is not a piece of structural/dynamic information.” What does it mean to say that she learns that information, pre-release? In learning it, did she acquire some nonstructural information that she didn’t previously know? I don’t think so. She gained metalinguistic knowledge; she learned that “phenomenal redness” and “redC” co-refer. And given the Burgean arguments, she strictly speaking knows the truth expressed, which does encode nonstructural information. But even after hearing the testimony, she doesn’t well understand the nonstructural aspect of the information the sentence expresses. To the extent that she doesn’t well understand that truth, it’s precisely the nonstructural part that she doesn’t get; and testimony alone can’t remove that lack in her understanding. That’s what I meant. I hope that helps, though as I said this business about structure and dynamics raises hard questions.

Something to say?